Legislature(1999 - 2000)

05/06/1999 02:20 PM Senate TRA

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           SENATE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                     May 6, 1999                                                                                                
                      2:20 p.m.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Jerry Ward, Chairman                                                                                                    
Senator Drue Pearce, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Mike Miller                                                                                                             
Senator Rick Halford                                                                                                            
Senator Georgianna Lincoln                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
All Members Present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 131                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to public rights-of-way and easements for surface                                                              
transportation across the Anchorage Coastal Wildlife Refuge."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     -HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 84                                                                                                               
"An Act relating to international airports revenue bonds; and                                                                   
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     -MOVED HB 84 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS SENATE ACTION                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
HB 131 - No previous action to report                                                                                           
HB 84  - No previous action to report                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeff Logan, Staff Aide                                                                                                      
Representative Joe Green                                                                                                        
Alaska State Capitol                                                                                                            
Juneau, AK  99801-1182                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented HB 131                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Patrick Wright, Chair                                                                                                       
Anchorage Fish & Game Advisory Committee                                                                                        
PO Box 90386                                                                                                                    
Anchorage, AK  99509                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported HB 131                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ron Crenshaw, President                                                                                                     
Anchorage Trails                                                                                                                
1553 H St.                                                                                                                      
Anchorage, AK  99501                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on HB 131                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Doug Perkins, President                                                                                                     
Bayshore Platte Community Council                                                                                               
2130 Shore Drive                                                                                                                
Anchorage, AK  99515                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported HB 131                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Deanna Essert                                                                                                               
6262 W. Dimond                                                                                                                  
Anchorage, AK  99502                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported HB 131                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Randy Hoffbeck                                                                                                              
120 S. Bragaw                                                                                                                   
Anchorage, AK  99516                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed HB 131                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Jane Angvik, Director                                                                                                       
Division of Lands                                                                                                               
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
3601 C St. #1105                                                                                                                
Anchorage, AK  99503-5947                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed HB 131                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mike Szymanski, Former Senator                                                                                              
7350 Huntsman #15E                                                                                                              
Anchorage, AK  99518                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed HB 131                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Smilie Shields                                                                                                              
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported HB 131                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dick Bishop                                                                                                                 
Alaska Outdoor Council                                                                                                          
PO Box 73902                                                                                                                    
Fairbanks, AK  99701                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported HB 131                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dennis Poshard, Legislative Liaison                                                                                         
Department of Transportation & Public                                                                                           
  Facilities                                                                                                                    
3132 Channel Drive                                                                                                              
Juneau, AK  99801-7898                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed HB 131                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Kurt Parkan, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                            
Department of Transportation & Public                                                                                           
  Facilities                                                                                                                    
3132 Channel Drive                                                                                                              
Juneau, AK  99801-7898                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported HB 84                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dave Eberle, Director                                                                                                       
Construction & Operations, Central Region                                                                                       
Department of Transportation & Public                                                                                           
  Facilities                                                                                                                    
PO Box 196900                                                                                                                   
Anchorage, AK  99619-6900                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on HB 84                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mort Plumb, Jr., Director                                                                                                   
Anchorage International Airport                                                                                                 
PO Box 196960                                                                                                                   
Anchorage, AK  99519-6960                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on HB 84                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jim Kubitz, Vice President                                                                                                  
Real Estate/Project Planning                                                                                                    
Alaska Railroad                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on HB 84                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mike Kean                                                                                                                   
Anchorage Economic Development Corporation                                                                                      
900 W. 5th Avenue                                                                                                               
Anchorage, AK  99501                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on HB 84                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cliff Argue, Vice President                                                                                                 
Alaska Airlines                                                                                                                 
Seattle, WA                                                                                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported HB 84                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ron Lance, General Manager                                                                                                  
United Airlines                                                                                                                 
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported HB 84                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 99-12, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 001                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD called the Senate Transportation Committee meeting to                                                             
order at 2:20 p.m. and brought HB 131 before the committee.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
            HB 131-ANCHORAGE COASTAL WILDLIFE REFUGE                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 013                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEFF LOGAN, staff to sponsor Representative Green, stated HB
131 returns to the legislature the authority to approve surface                                                                 
transportation rights-of-way and easements in the Anchorage Coastal                                                             
Wildlife Refuge.  The bill was introduced at the request of a                                                                   
number of South Anchorage residents who have an interest in                                                                     
protecting the habitat values in the Anchorage Coastal Wildlife                                                                 
Refuge (ACWR).                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD asked what the ACWR will be protected from.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LOGAN replied HB 131 will protect it from a surface                                                                         
transportation corridor. The Municipality of Anchorage (MOA)                                                                    
estimates about 80% of "developable" land in the Anchorage bowl is                                                              
in South Anchorage and directly abuts the ACWR.  Before any type of                                                             
development occurs that might include surface transportation or                                                                 
require a right-of-way or easement in the refuge, the sponsor would                                                             
like the legislature to have final approval.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN brought up an amendment suggested to her that would                                                             
delete "surface transportation" on line 12 and insert "a bike path                                                              
or trail," to limit legislative oversight to the coastal trail and                                                              
ensure the State does not later run into problems if the railroad                                                               
upgrades or realigns existing tracks, or if the state expands the                                                               
Seward Highway to a four-lane road.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 077                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LOGAN commented a lot of attention has been drawn to the bill                                                               
by people who think it is an effort to kill the proposed extension                                                              
of a bike trail.  He thought Senator Lincoln's proposed language                                                                
might make it look even more like that is the sponsor's intent.                                                                 
Representative Green is not worried about that specific project but                                                             
he does think legislative oversight of a railroad extension could                                                               
be a good thing.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 100                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN asked if the Alaska Railroad Corporation (ARRC)                                                                 
decides to upgrade or realigns existing tracks, HB 131 would                                                                    
require prior legislative approval.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD asked Mr. Logan to provide Senator Lincoln with an                                                                
answer to her question during the meeting.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK WRIGHT, Chairman of the Anchorage Fish and Game Advisory                                                                
Committee, stated the Advisory Committee met on April 27 at which                                                               
time it reviewed HB 131.    Eleven of the 15 members were present                                                               
and all voted to support HB 131.  The Advisory Committee has a long                                                             
history of concerns about the ACWR.  HB 131 will help to protect                                                                
habitat against any future development.  The Advisory Committee's                                                               
concerns are about the habitat and uses of that area.  The Advisory                                                             
Committee opposes any coastal trail that is below the top of the                                                                
bluff.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 170                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
RON CRENSHAW, President of the Anchorage Trails Coalition, stated                                                               
the Coalition is confused about legislative involvement in this                                                                 
issue at this time.  He questioned whether the issue concerns                                                                   
discussions about the shooting range being jeopardized by a new                                                                 
trail.  [The remainder of Mr. Crenshaw's testimony was inaudible.]                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DOUG PERKINS, President of the Bayshore Platte Community Council,                                                               
consisting of 11,000 residents who border the Anchorage Coastal                                                                 
Wildlife Refuge, stated support for HB 131.  He called the                                                                      
committee's attention to a study conducted by Wayne Pishaun [ph]                                                                
faxed to committee members.  He noted the ACWR issue is not a local                                                             
issue because ACWR is state land.  If HB 131 passes, the                                                                        
Legislature will be taking back control from DOTPF and ADF&G.                                                                   
Despite ADF&G's strong opposition to a trail through the refuge,                                                                
DOTPF recommends that the refuge be considered for a possible trail                                                             
route.  He urged committee members to pass the bill from committee.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DEANNA ESSERT, spokesperson for the Sand Lakes Community Council,                                                               
and representative for AMAT, the working advisory group for the                                                                 
South coastal trail, made the following comments.  The Sand Lakes                                                               
Community Council unanimously supported a resolution keeping the                                                                
refuge as is.  At present there are nine access points to the ACWR.                                                             
Additional development of these access points should be considered,                                                             
and legislative oversight should be provided.  Sand Lakes supports                                                              
preserving the refuge for the wildlife and for those who come to                                                                
view and photograph the wildlife.   Destruction of the nesting and                                                              
breeding areas of waterfowl by allowing hundreds of recreation-                                                                 
oriented runners, bikers, and joggers is completely unacceptable.                                                               
All of the recreational groups have been represented in this                                                                    
discussion, however no representatives for the elderly or                                                                       
handicapped have participated.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 314                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
RANDY HOFFBECK, Park Beautification Manager for the MOA, testified                                                              
in opposition to HB 131.  The language in HB 131 limits the                                                                     
potential options for the south extension of the coastal trail.                                                                 
This will come at the very time the public involvement process for                                                              
this trail project is underway.  The public involvement process is                                                              
intended to bring together all interested parties to discuss the                                                                
guidelines that will be used to determine approval of the location                                                              
of the trail.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOFFBECK reminded the Committee that the Anchorage Coastal                                                                  
Management Plan that was adopted by the Municipality of Anchorage                                                               
in 1979 had final approval from the Legislature in 1980 and allowed                                                             
for the local governments to develop and implement their own                                                                    
program to suit local needs.  The Alaska Coastal Wildlife Refuge                                                                
was created by the State Legislature in 1988.  After significant                                                                
input, the Anchorage Coastal Wildlife Refuge Management Plan was                                                                
published by the ADF&G in 1991 allowing that under certain                                                                      
conditions, coastal trail access may be allowed within the Refuge.                                                              
This was later crystallized in the Anchorage Area wide Trail Plan                                                               
which had years of public process.  Even without legislative                                                                    
approval, there has already been lots of public input.  Legislative                                                             
approval is not necessary as they will not establish protection of                                                              
the habitat which is already protected.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. JANE ANGVICK, Director, Division of Lands, opposed HB 131.  The                                                             
bill requires legislative approval of executive branch action.  The                                                             
fear is that it would require oversight for any future realignment                                                              
of the Seward Highway with the Alaska Railroad.  She encouraged                                                                 
them to consider Senator Lincoln's amendment.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 365                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN responded that a note before her says the                                                                       
Railroad's 200 ft. right-of-way might accommodate the language in                                                               
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. ANGVIK replied that she wasn't sure, but thought this bill                                                                  
would affect the right-of-way of the Railroad and causes                                                                        
significant concerns.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. MIKE SZYMANSKI said he drafted the original legislation that                                                                
passed ultimately in 1988.  The proposed amendment was inserted                                                                 
after he negotiated with the Cook Inlet Regional Corporation who                                                                
wanted access to Fire Island.  The second section was first                                                                     
intended to give specific geographic locations for access, but he                                                               
was assured alignment would be better if developed through the                                                                  
existing public process.  He thought the only reason for the                                                                    
legislation was to try and throw a road block into the ultimate                                                                 
decision process for any type of extension to the coastal trail.                                                                
If the adjacent land owners are the only ones who have access, it                                                               
is an extremely difficult situation because 98% of the access is                                                                
from the bluff.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMILIE SHIELDS said he is a Doctor of Biology in animal                                                                     
behavior and ecology.  He thought the ACWR is such valuable habitat                                                             
that there is no way it should be risked at any point.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
There are many risks with putting a bike trail in a marsh.  For                                                                 
instance, the wind blows too hard sometimes for a person to ride in                                                             
it.  He supported HB 131.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD noted that Mr. David Carter, who had to leave,                                                                    
supported HB 131.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 479                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DICK BISHOP, Alaska Outdoor Council, said they are proud of                                                                 
Alaska's record of providing support for outdoor recreational                                                                   
opportunities.  He thought this hearing and the legislative process                                                             
was part of the public process.  He was with ADF&G at the time this                                                             
Refuge was created and recalled the prolonged and sometimes                                                                     
contentious efforts to establish and sustain the Refuge and the                                                                 
rifle range.  He appreciated Senator Szymanski's efforts.  However,                                                             
he was concerned with some uses that might detract from some of the                                                             
traditional values and uses of this particular Refuge.  There are                                                               
decades of experience with the interplay of competing agendas and                                                               
how the interests of wildlife conservation and traditional uses,                                                                
such as hunting, viewing, shooting, fishing may suffer if not                                                                   
insulated from rapidly growing competing uses.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He thought it was within the Legislature's purview and their                                                                    
responsibility to oversee the continued integrity of state refuges.                                                             
HB 131 properly meets that responsibility.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DENNIS POSHARD, DOT/PF said they are sensitive to the concerns                                                              
of people regarding the ACWR.  They have a project in conjunction                                                               
with AMATS in the root analysis and preliminary engineering stage                                                               
that will be directly affected by passage of HB 131.  He explained                                                              
that the southern extension is being developed by AMATS.  This                                                                  
project is the missing link between trails heading north out of                                                                 
Anchorage on the Glenn and Parks Highways and south out of                                                                      
Anchorage on the Seward Highway.  The process of planning how to                                                                
extend the coastal trail from Kincaid Park shelter south is                                                                     
currently under way with the first public meeting being held on                                                                 
March 31.  They are going through an extensive public process; no                                                               
decision has been made on any particular alternative.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He pointed out that the Anchorage Coastal Wildlife Refuge                                                                       
Management Plan, published by ADF&G states that "coastal trail                                                                  
access may be allowed within the Refuge where disturbance to fish                                                               
and wildlife populations and their habitat is avoided, where safety                                                             
considerations and conflicts to existing refuge uses including                                                                  
water fowl, hunting, and rifle range use, and where compatible with                                                             
management of refuge public access points in the goals of this                                                                  
management plan.  This is a pretty big burden for them to meet.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Additionally, since they are using federal funding for the                                                                      
extension project, the environmental process will have to be in                                                                 
conformance with the National Environmental Protection Act.  HB 131                                                             
would add an additional approval step to the project process if                                                                 
some portion of the trail is proposed to be located within the                                                                  
Refuge adding time and expense to the development.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The language of the bill shifts the responsibility for land use                                                                 
management of ACWR from ADF&G to the Alaska Legislature and could                                                               
influence the development of potential alignments and bias the need                                                             
for process.  The Legislature ultimately has control of the project                                                             
through the budget process.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He pointed out that there are other urban wildlife refuges in this                                                              
state that have bike trails in them - one in Juneau and one in                                                                  
Fairbanks.  They are highly used and will thought of.  ADF&G has                                                                
stated clearly they will not issue any permit for any trail                                                                     
alignment that goes across the ACWR, but that is not true.  They                                                                
have concerns, but have not stated they will not issue a permit.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Regarding Senator Lincoln's concern about the Railroad and Seward                                                               
Highway and whether this bill could affect those, he discussed it                                                               
with Dave Eberly, Director of Construction and Operations for the                                                               
Central Region and with Jim Kubitz, Vice President of Real Estate                                                               
and Planning for the Railroad.  Mr. Kubitz confirmed that they do                                                               
have a 200 ft. right-of-way for the Railroad.  The Seward Highway                                                               
is two lane as it goes through the marsh, but it's given that it                                                                
will become a four lane at some point.  It's envisioned that the                                                                
two lanes of the highway could take over the existing railroad bed                                                              
and move the railroad further away from the Potter's Marsh area.                                                                
He didn't know if that could be done within the 200 ft. corridor.                                                               
So this bill could have an effect on that project when it happens.                                                              
Removing surface transportation and adding trails in Senator                                                                    
Lincoln's amendment would narrow the focus of the bill to what it's                                                             
really about.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN asked how much time there is between the time a                                                                 
project is conceived until they need the legislative approval.                                                                  
Could it miss one legislative session.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD replied that the process would normally end at the                                                                  
environmental stage after receiving appropriate permits from ADF&G,                                                             
the Corps of Engineers for the wetlands.  Now they would be forced                                                              
to take an additional step when the environmental document comes                                                                
out to take it to the legislature and go through the whole                                                                      
committee process.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 99-12, SIDE B                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN clarified that she meant if they missed the                                                                     
legislature's 120 day cycle, would that put them back one or two                                                                
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD answered that would depend on when they completed the                                                               
environmental document.  He didn't think it would set them back                                                                 
more than a year.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN asked if he understood HB 131 to apply to any type                                                              
of surface transportation like a bridge.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. POSHARD said that was his understanding.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD noted there was no more testimony.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN said she was still unsure what would happen if they                                                             
left "surface transportation."  She moved to delete "surface                                                                    
transportation" and insert "a bike path or trail" on page 1, line                                                               
12.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD objected.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN said there is a public process in place and right                                                               
now the concern is the bike path and trails.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATORS PEARCE, HALFORD, and LINCOLN voted yes; SENATOR WARD voted                                                             
no and the amendment was adopted.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD announced that there were no further comments from the                                                             
committee and that they would hold HB 131.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          HB  84-INTERNATIONAL AIRPORTS REVENUE BONDS                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD brought HB 84 before the committee for consideration.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 99-12, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 545                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. KURT PARKAN, Deputy Commissioner for the Department of                                                                      
Transportation and Public Facilities (DOTPF), stated HB 84 would                                                                
authorize $25 million in additional bonding authority for the                                                                   
Anchorage International Airport Terminal expansion project.  He                                                                 
introduced Mr. Dave Eberle, Program Manager for Gateway Alaska in                                                               
charge of the construction of the project; Mr. Mort Plumb, Director                                                             
of the Anchorage International Airport; Mr. Jim Kubitz with the                                                                 
Alaska Railroad Corporation; and Mr. Devon Mitchell, Debt Manager                                                               
for the Department of Revenue (DOR).                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. PARKAN explained the purpose of HB 84 is to provide the airport                                                             
a means of interim financing to enable the terminal redevelopment                                                               
project to be constructed in a timely manner.  The Governor                                                                     
introduced legislation last year to authorize $204 million in                                                                   
revenue bonds to finance the terminal redevelopment project.  In                                                                
addition to the bonding, DOTPF included $26.3 million in federal                                                                
highway funds for a portion of the roads leading up to the                                                                      
terminal.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The Senate bill that ultimately passed the legislature last year                                                                
reduced the amount $25 million.  The expressed intent of the                                                                    
legislature was that DOTPF secure additional federal dollars from                                                               
the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).  During the summer,                                                                  
DOTPF received those discretionary dollars through a Letter of                                                                  
Intent.  In February of 1999 the DOR issued $170 million in revenue                                                             
bonds for the project.  Currently the project is about 5% complete                                                              
and major construction will begin this summer.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DOTPF received the bonding authority coupled with federal highway                                                               
funds to do the roadside and land-side improvements.  However, the                                                              
funding will be received over a 10-year period which creates a cash                                                             
flow problem.  The project's completion date is anticipated to be                                                               
3 to 4 years.  To solve the cash flow dilemma and maintain the                                                                  
current project schedule, DOTPF is asking that the previously                                                                   
requested $25 million in bonds be authorized for interim financing.                                                             
As proceeds from the FAA are received, they will be used to offset                                                              
the additional bonds the department is requesting.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Overall, the project cost remains at $230 million as anticipated;                                                               
the $25 million in bonding authority will simply provide forward                                                                
funding to allow the project to be completed as originally                                                                      
scheduled.  Additional bonding authority will not increase the cost                                                             
of the project and it will ultimately reduce the impact on the                                                                  
airlines. HB 131 will benefit the airport by allowing the terminal                                                              
project to be completed on schedule, and the airlines because it                                                                
reduces their costs.  The airline carriers voted to approve the                                                                 
project with the full $204 million in bonding authority; DOTPF is                                                               
reducing that amount by supplementing the cost with federal funds                                                               
thereby reducing the costs borne by the airlines and the traveling                                                              
public.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD asked Mr. Plumb or Mr. Eberle to address the                                                                      
questions he had faxed to them.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 488                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVE EBERLE, Program Manager for Gateway Alaska, said one                                                                   
question asked whether the design plan still contains five new jet                                                              
gates and seven gates for smaller aircraft which, he said, has                                                                  
changed somewhat.  The regional carriers now have the benefit of                                                                
exclusive use of seven gates; the jet gates have been moved to the                                                              
new Concourse C and reduced to four full-time gates for a net loss                                                              
of one gate.  One additional jet gate is currently earmarked as an                                                              
alternate; in the event that bids come in higher than anticipated,                                                              
that gate will not be built.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. EBERLE presented the committee with a contingency analysis                                                                  
he had prepared. The original contingency amount was $30.6 million.                                                             
He has accepted requested additions totaling $11.8 million and                                                                  
suggested reductions of $4.8 million.  He said these additions and                                                              
reductions will occur until the project is completed, and balancing                                                             
them is a means of managing the contingency in order to stay within                                                             
the $230 million budget.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. EBERLE said he has identified potential alternates to reduce                                                                
the scope of construction by not building certain aspects with  the                                                             
objective of staying within the original project budget.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 445                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORT PLUMB, Director of the Anchorage International Airport,                                                                
said one question was whether the traffic projections were "too                                                                 
rosy" and have already fallen short in the first year.  He said                                                                 
they had identified many shortcomings in the terminals, such as                                                                 
baggage claim and ticket cuing areas, and forecasted traffic in the                                                             
year 2005.  The Asian economy and other factors have impacted                                                                   
Alaska's economy, more particularly in cargo business with some                                                                 
impact in passenger business.  He believes the forecast will be                                                                 
fairly representative and the only impact to the airport will be                                                                
when to build additional infrastructure and what that trigger point                                                             
would be.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. PLUMB explained HB 131 will allow the airport to get the bond                                                               
money up front to finance the construction costs, and over the ten                                                              
year period, it would receive the money from the federal government                                                             
to repay the bond debt.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. EBERLE stated no cost overruns have occurred thus far, and he                                                               
repeated that overall they would stay within the project budget.                                                                
The total spent on administration, engineering, design and other                                                                
non-construction expenses was $7.2 million through the end of                                                                   
March.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Regarding the question of whether anything has been scaled back,                                                                
MR. PLUMB said overall the square footage has increased based on                                                                
the needs of the airlines.  He offered to address specific                                                                      
questions regarding scope items.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 380                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE expressed concern about the scope of the project.                                                                
The original design work was done by a company considered to be an                                                              
expert at airport design worldwide.  She questioned why the                                                                     
airlines are now demanding more from DOTPF when their needs were                                                                
defined in the scope by the expert designer.   She noted the                                                                    
domestic carriers are not the only ones paying for the expansion,                                                               
cargo carriers are involved as well.  She questioned how DOTPF can                                                              
justify this expansion if the design was for a certain size.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. EBERLE said the original concept was based on averages, a                                                                   
numerical model of other airports around the nation.  At the time                                                               
the plan was developed, the design concept was based on                                                                         
deplanements and preliminary discussion with the airlines and                                                                   
tenants.  The design concept contained an assumed square footage                                                                
without a floor plan; it was very general in nature.  Now, as they                                                              
advance from the concept to the details of the schematic design in                                                              
the design development process, discussions with the airlines and                                                               
tenants have given rise to the various space increases.  The goal                                                               
is to meet all the users' needs and to accommodate the traveling                                                                
public.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE commented that DOTPF should never have brought the                                                               
project to the legislature and asked for bonding authority last                                                                 
year.  It should have come with the actual design and actual cost.                                                              
The cargo carriers bear the cost of the Anchorage International                                                                 
Airport, not the passenger carriers, and now they will carry more                                                               
because the domestic passenger carriers want "new bells and                                                                     
whistles after the fact."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. EBERLE responded the project cost remains at $230 million.  The                                                             
project presented to the legislature last year was expected to cost                                                             
$204 million in bonding to be paid through airline revenues. That                                                               
figure has been reduced to $179 million due to additional federal                                                               
funding of $25 million.  HB 131 requests bonding authority for                                                                  
interim financing, but the net cost to the airlines is $25 million                                                              
less.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE countered that she disagrees, because some of the                                                                
reductions are deferrals until a later date, including the North                                                                
terminal connector and completion of the third floor space.  She                                                                
said that does not reduce the cost of the project or allow for                                                                  
completion with the same amount of money.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. EBERLE replied he couldn't say the two projects referred to by                                                              
Senator Pearce will never be necessary, but whether they get added                                                              
will be subject to a vote of the airline carriers.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE said the airlines should not run the AIA, the State                                                              
should.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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MR. PLUMB said the gate configuration changed in the past year.                                                                 
The original concept had five additional gates, three of which                                                                  
would be cross-utilized.  In the end, the regional carriers got                                                                 
three exclusive gates instead of three part-time, and domestic                                                                  
carriers lost three.  To accommodate the domestic carriers they                                                                 
reduced the square footage of the regional carriers' area, the                                                                  
square footage was added to the "C" extension.  He noted that, and                                                              
a small amount of square footage added to the concession area, is                                                               
the cause of the change.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE said the last time the group briefed the committee,                                                              
they said the square footage increased because they had to build a                                                              
mechanical utility underneath the terminal.  MR. PLUMB said that                                                                
was correct.  SENATOR PEARCE repeated they are not reducing, just                                                               
deferring some things.  She emphasized that her point is that the                                                               
original plan attached to the North terminal, so that in the long                                                               
term, the North terminal would be fully utilized.  Now, it is not                                                               
being attached so the white elephant is still sitting there and                                                                 
$230 million will have been spent.  She maintained that the project                                                             
will not be complete after the $230 million is spent and the group                                                              
will be before the legislature asking for more money to make the                                                                
project work.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD asked the cost of the international terminal. MR.                                                               
PLUMB said it was about $26 million.  SENATOR HALFORD asked if it                                                               
would sit vacant.  MR. PLUMB said, "No, sir, it's 100% utilized                                                                 
right now by Delta and international carriers."  It was built as a                                                              
shopping center for international travelers, not as an                                                                          
emplanement/deplanement terminal.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE said she and Representative Hanley requested an                                                                  
audit on the domestic terminal project, and at that time the                                                                    
auditor concluded the project scope was not finalized prior to the                                                              
construction commitment. The scope was revised both before and                                                                  
after the concession contract award date, which is partially why it                                                             
went way over budget.  Airport tenants' requests for scope                                                                      
revisions to the project necessitated redesign by the design                                                                    
consultant at the State's expense.  The large number of design                                                                  
deficiencies resulted in the general contractor submitting over 750                                                             
design clarification and variation requests. The general                                                                        
construction contract was awarded for $17.8 million with an                                                                     
original contingency of $1.6 million through June 19, 1985.                                                                     
Ninety-nine change orders totaled $3,126,000 above the original                                                                 
contingency.  SENATOR PEARCE said, "I hope that we've learned                                                                   
something from that previous experience.  You gentlemen weren't                                                                 
there at the time, but we've been through terminal expansions                                                                   
before, and as far as I can tell, we are starting down the same                                                                 
road.  That's why I am bothered by this."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN asked about DOR's fiscal note which states that the                                                             
airport has secured a federal grant, called a Letter of Intent, for                                                             
$25 million, to be appropriated by Congress over a 10-year period,                                                              
and whether the grant is secured or anticipated.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. PARKAN responded the Letter of Intent is a promise by the FAA                                                               
to pay over the course of 10 years, subject to appropriation by                                                                 
Congress every year. The grant totals $32 million in federal                                                                    
discretionary funds, and $16 million promised from the airport for                                                              
their entitlements to be used toward terminal development.  Letters                                                             
of Intent are frequently and most commonly funded by front-loading                                                              
with bonds.  He said other airports use the same process.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JIM KUBITZ, Vice President of Real Estate and Project Planning                                                              
with the Alaska Railroad Corporation (ARRC), stated the ARRC                                                                    
secured a $28 million grant from the federal railroad                                                                           
administration to build a passenger rail station at Anchorage                                                                   
International Airport.  A year ago he became involved in the                                                                    
planning process of the airport at Commissioner Perkins' and Mr.                                                                
Sheffields' request in order to protect its right-of-way into the                                                               
airport for future development of a rail station.  Through an RSA                                                               
agreement with DOTPF, ARRC was able to work with the project                                                                    
architect to conceptually design a rail station into the airport.                                                               
ARRC continued to work with the airport, and was successful in                                                                  
getting a grant from Alaska's  congressional delegation.  ARRC is                                                               
now geared up to be a full participant in the airport project.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. KUBITZ said ARRC uses its own revenues without subsidies and is                                                             
careful with its operating funds.  The project is designed to stay                                                              
within budget.  The schematic design is final, and because of                                                                   
procurement rules, ARRC will go out to bid for a final design.  The                                                             
estimated construction budget is $20 million with a 16-17%                                                                      
contingency built in.  The elevated track portion, or rail station,                                                             
will be about $10 million, with the rest used for contingency or                                                                
the tunnel.  The tunnel will be built underneath the circulation                                                                
road that will connect to the main part of the terminal.  Benefits                                                              
to the airport include the new tunnel to help connect the rail                                                                  
station and long-term parking area to the airport terminal.  The                                                                
Board has committed to the tunnel; DOTPF will build it.  ARRC is                                                                
providing rights-of-ways to the airport for the circulation of the                                                              
road, and along the rail line for a bike path designed into the                                                                 
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The Board has not given full approval until ARRC provides it with                                                               
a market identification study in June.  ARRC intends to seek  its                                                               
approval to continue with full design and construction of the                                                                   
airport.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD asked who this will benefit.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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MR. KUBITZ said the potential markets identified for the rail                                                                   
station are cruise ship passengers motor-coached by Princess and                                                                
Westours, as well as charter operations.  Groups brought in on                                                                  
charter aircraft could be put on a train and taken directly to                                                                  
Denali Park, Fairbanks, Seward or Girdwood. ARRC is looking at the                                                              
commuter market because line changes between Anchorage and Wasilla                                                              
can speed up the train.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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CHAIRMAN WARD stated three people are waiting on teleconference to                                                              
testify on HB 84.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. MIKE KEAN, Transportation Director of Anchorage Economic                                                                    
Development Corporation (AEDC), testified in favor of HB 84.  He                                                                
said AEDC believes the Anchorage International Airport is an                                                                    
"economic engine" of the City of Anchorage its expansion is much                                                                
needed.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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MR. CLIFF ARGUE introduced himself as Staff Vice President of                                                                   
Properties and Facilities at Alaska Airlines, and Chairman of                                                                   
Anchorage/Fairbanks Airport Affairs Committee which represents 25                                                               
airlines.  He said his comments represent Alaska Airlines and most                                                              
of the airline members of the committee.  The airlines support HB
84. The bill is not a request for new or additional funding, it                                                                 
will provide for a steady cash-flow to pay for the terminal project                                                             
as originally approved.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. RON LANCE, General Manager of United Airlines, expressed                                                                    
support for HB 84 and agreed with Mr. Argue's comments.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR PEARCE moved HB 84 out of committee with individual                                                                     
recommendations.  Hearing no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
With no further business to come before the committee, CHAIRMAN                                                                 
WARD adjourned the meeting at 3:56 p.m.                                                                                         

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